Reporting half-truths, non-truths and just plain nonsense

An article from Max Bloggs. You can reach out to him on Twitter at @derRetter

Before continuing with this posting I’d like to explain my motivations for still covering the issue that just won’t die. I like most of other Liverpool fans am battle weary. I just want the Suarez-Evra issue to go away. But it hasn’t yet and it won’t anytime soon. As long as the media continue to misrepresent the facts, then I—and hopefully other bloggers—will continue to fill in the gaps.

On 13 February, I entered into a discussion with the chief football writer for a large national tabloid after I saw him inaccurately explaining the term “negro”. Seeing this as a blatant misrepresentation of fact, I questioned his journalistic integrity.

Referring to the term “negro” he asserted that the experts found “that it WAS perjorative (sic). And that didn’t accept assertion to [the] contrary.” He claimed that the experts’ conclusion backed Evra and not Suarez.

I don’t consider myself to be naïve—as I have seen what journalists are capable of—but I was honestly shocked at reading his tweets as it revealed one of two things: (1) either he was openly lying to defend his stance on the Suarez-Evra issue; (2) that inadvertently admitting that he had not clearly grasped the nature of the experts’ evidence in the 115-page FA report.

At this point I tweeted him paragraphs 190 and 194 of the FA report which clearly state that the experts concluded that if Suarez’ version of events were true, then his use of the term “negro” would not have been ‘offensive or offensive in racial terms.’

After a 10 minute pause in our Twitter activity (I’m assuming the reporter in question has now opened up the FA report) he refers me to paragraph 179, which clarifies that had Suarez said “porque tu eres negro”, that would have been offensive.

Now what surprised me here was that he again showed that he didn’t understand the nature of the experts’ evidence. He cited paragraph 179 with the belief that it somehow defended his assertion that the experts had backed Evra over Suarez.

But it didn’t.

I never suggested that the experts found against Evra. As has been well documented in the mainstream media, the experts also found that in Evra’s version of events (if true) the use of “negro” would have been offensive. My point was—and always has been—that the experts also agreed that in Suarez account (if true) the use of “negro” would not have been construed as racist.

He then dismisses these inconvenient truths, stating that “[w]e can all find reasons to back our positions.” I argued that therein lies the problem: the mainstream media have been defending their positions by selectively and inaccurately citing the 115-page FA report since its release.

I now find myself asking why our mainstream media even have “positions” that need to be defended.

I then drew the reporter’s attention to his previous quote that “negro” “WAS perjorative (sic). And that didn’t accept assertion to [the] contrary.” He accepted that he was wrong, having recognised that the experts’ conclusions that the use of the term as described by Suarez would not have been construed as racist.

However, he still rejected the idea that the experts “backed” Suarez. I don’t disagree with this point because the experts—at least not publicly—didn’t back either Suarez or Evra. They simply passed judgment on whether the term “negro” was offensive. In doing so they considered both Suarez’ and Evra’s version of events as if both accounts were true and made their judgments accordingly. It was the FA who backed Evra over Suarez, which is clear from paragraph 199 onwards.

Again, this point was accepted by the reporter in question.

Now the fact the a reporter has either been selectively or unknowingly misreporting the FA’s findings may not be anything new to those Liverpool fans who have read the report.

But these points have been the basis of many fans’ support of Luis Suarez. The idea that he can be found guilty without any video evidence, audio evidence or statements from witnesses of the alleged event smacks of a ‘show trial’. Furthermore, the experts found that had Suarez used the term ‘negro’ in the context he claims, it would not have been racially offensive. These are pretty solid reasons to stand behind our player.

There is of course the possibility that Suarez could be guilty. Just as there is the possibility that Schmeichel was guilty of racially abusing Ian Wright all those years ago.

But there is NO evidence to prove these claims or refute these claims. We are ultimately left with one man’s word against another’s.

Yet the media have continually ignored these facts, and have even gone on to misreport and manipulate the truth. Without presenting the actual Liverpool FC standpoint on this, they have labelled us “tribal” and “blindly faithful” and accused us of undermining the anti-racism movement in this country.

The press, anti-racist spokespeople and opposing fans demand that we sacrifice Luis Suarez and our own convictions for the good of society, without taking into consideration our misgivings of the decision.

It is clear for many that since the release of the FA’s report, Liverpool FC, Liverpool fans and Luis Suarez have been subjected to what can only be described as a smear campaign, based on half-truths, non-truths and just plain nonsense.

By Max Bloggs

 


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    Please Sign The Hillsborough Petition

    On On April 15 1989 24,000 Liverpool fans travelled to watch an FA Cup Semi Final against Nottingham Forest at Hillsborough, the home of Sheffield Wednesday, 766 were injured on the day and 96 of them were never to return.

    Over 22 years on, the search for the same thing remains unwaveringly since the day the tragedy happened…. the truth.

    Britain’s worst sporting disaster amazingly remains with many questions unaswered, those questions covered by scandalous headlines of which an apology remains like the truth in not forthcoming.

    Many individuals and organisations over the years have worked tirelessly to uncover the truth and bring to light all the facts from that fateful day, none more so than The Hillsborough Family Support Group.

    For those that have not already signed it, an official petition has been lodged with Downing Street for full disclosure of all government documents relating to the 1989 Hillsborough disaster of which it presently sits at over 85,000 signatures of the 100,000 required for MPs to be forced to have a commons debate on the issue.

    Social media has played its part in rallying the numbers required to reach this status. Liverpool’s present manager Kenny Dalglish, who was also in charge of the side on that tragic day tweeted his support for the cause from his @kennethdalglish account, a man who’s unrelenting efforts to support those who lost loved ones and were affected have seen calls for him to be knighted alongside his contribution to the game. A very recognised figure in regards to Hillsborough but just one of many who want to see the truth revealled.

    In reality a 100,000 taregt is a number that should be cleared with minimal effort as it is for a matter that is beyond Liverpool Football Club and even football itself. Regardless of where your football allegiance lies, this is about something much bigger, truth and justice in our society. Something that needs to be heard by us all and especially for those that are no longer with us to hear it.

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      Man of the Match v Arsenal?

      As Liverpool ran out 2-0 winners at The Emitrates Stadium to temporarily sit at the top of the Premier League, it was Enrique’s performance at left back that saw him named Man of the Match by the Sky team ahead of Arsenal’s impressiveThomas Vermaelen.

      But do you agree?

      Take part in our poll below and let us know your own Man of the Match in a Liverpool shirt today.

      Man of the Match v Arsenal?

      • Enrique (41%, 129 Votes)
      • Suarez (18%, 55 Votes)
      • Downing (11%, 33 Votes)
      • Lucas (8%, 24 Votes)
      • Kelly (7%, 23 Votes)
      • Meireles (6%, 18 Votes)
      • Adam (5%, 16 Votes)
      • Agger (3%, 8 Votes)
      • Carroll (1%, 3 Votes)
      • Reina (1%, 2 Votes)
      • Kuyt (0%, 1 Votes)
      • Carragher (0%, 1 Votes)
      • Henderson (0%, 0 Votes)

      Total Voters: 313

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        Arsenal v Liverpool Preview : The Liverpool Opinion

        Earlier in the week we caught up with some Gunners fans as Liverpool travel down to London to face Arsenal today, to get their opinion on how the game will pan out and what life without Cesc Fabregas is likely to mean for them in regards to technical change on the pitch.

        The Emirates has never been a ground to yield many points for the Reds since its construction, in fact 3 points have never been taken on the ground by the Reds and you have to step back 11 years in time to Highbury to find the last time that Liverpool left todays hosts with nothing. A Titi Camara goal, following a pass from a young man who was starting to make his way in the game snatched the victory on that day, that man was Steven Gerrard. 11 years on he is now the clubs talisman but sadly an injured one at that for another 4 weeks or so.

        At the start of the week we caught up with 6 great Reds in the form of Jim Boardman (Anfield Road), Gareth Roberts (Well Red Magazine), Michael Owen (Anfield Opinion), Antoine Zammit (Empire of the Kop), Taf McDonald (Invincible Bastion) Gary Bradburn (all round good guy!) to get their opinion on the game ahead at the Emirates, thoughts on the Sunderland performance and the transfer market.

         

        Q1. With Arsenal looking like that they could be without Wilshere, Bendtner, Eboue, Song, Nasri, Gervinho and of course Fabregas – is there any better time to play Arsenal? Are they likely to be set out more attacking minded than in previous visits to the Emirates?

        Jim: Players missing through being sold, injured and suspended – plus players tired from having an extra game to what we’ve got – mean it probably is the best time to play them. But that doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy. The departure of Fabregas could actually work as a positive for them – he’s gone now, the uncertainty on that topic is over. Whether Arsenal sign anyone before the weekend remains to be seen but having a wantaway player around the place would have been hitting morale, no matter how nice everybody tried to be about it all.

        It’s a massive few days for Arsenal and for Arsene Wenger, I’ve got a feeling he’s one of the next targets for the back pages and their
        ongoing “sack race” stories. From what I’ve seen from a distance there are already rumblings of discontent amongst supporters and the press will start to play on that. I don’t think they’ll be any more attack-minded than we’ve seen them in the past.

        Robbo: They’re at home, they’ve got a quality manager, a great stadium, and they’ve qualified for the Champions League for the last 13 years. There’s no easy games away to Arsenal. Are they ever anything but attack-minded? Despite everyone you’ve mentioned, they’ve still got Walcott, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Chamakh, Arshavin, Ramsey… there’s plenty of quality in their squad. That said, we showed last season that there’s nothing to be scared of. We can ruffle their feathers, no doubt about it.

        Michael: Naturally a team missing players of the calibre mentioned is always going to be weaker for it, but it’s certainly not in Liverpool’s best interests to underestimate their hosts. With a number of key players either heading for the exit or out injured those selected will feel a need to prove themselves, meaning they’ll certainly still be a real danger.

        Antoine: We have an opportunity to grab 3 points, if we play like we did in the first half of the game against Sunderland we shouldn’t have a problem.

        Taf: In theory, no. But it becomes a must win game, which can add a certain amount of pressure. To lose against a severely weakened Arsenal will bring it’s own pressure on us.

        Gary: I think under Wenger they can only play one way, regardless of their playing personnel.  In some ways it could be a good time to play Arsenal, with their squad upheaval, but we have seen many times when a star player or a manager has gone, it can bring everyone else together.

         

        Q2. Both Arsenal and Liverpool came in for some criticism from different quarters in their opening fixture. What for you went wrong for the Reds against Sunderland?

        Jim: If the game had ended at half time nobody would be worried at all. We were 1-0 up despite a wrongly-disallowed goal and missing a penalty – and that penalty came from a foul that would have led to a red card under the original intentions of the “professional foul” rules. Downing’s run and shot (which Flanagan had set him on his way for) was an inch away from being the goal of season and Liverpool were playing some pretty exciting stuff.

        What went wrong for us was that we didn’t keep it up in the second half. We started playing like 1-0 would do – and that nearly always
        leads to a goal against us. Tiredness may have played a part – but we didn’t help ourselves on that score by using more and more long balls (some lazy, some trying to be too clever) that would lead to us losing posession again and having to chase after the ball again.

        Their goal was a mixture of a mistake from the defence and an outstanding bit of skill from the scorer – how many other clear chances did
        they create and how many other players would have hit that so sweetly? Maybe we’ve all analysed it a bit too much – maybe we just
        need to sustain what we did in the first half that bit longer.

        Robbo: We ran out of steam. Second half too many players’ energy levels tailed off – notably two of the best performers from the first half – Adam and Suarez. We lost our rhythm and direction and it probably didn’t help that we had so many new players in the side. The understanding between the players – and the fitness levels – is only going to get better.

        Michael: A lack of fitness was a key issue for Liverpool against Sunderland. The first-half was fast-paced with some fantastic football on display, but in the second-half the Reds simply couldn’t keep up that level of pressure, sitting back and allowing Sunderland to play football. What may have been crucial, though, was Liverpool’s inability to get a second goal to kill the game before the half-time whistle.

        Antoine: We failed to close shop in the first half and that came back to haunt us in the 2nd half as our players got tired.

        Taf: The first few games of the season and the last few are always hard to predict. We’re still finding our feet and I think there were quite a few positives to take from the game. We just seem to have the most terrible luck at times. I mean, how often do you think Suarez will miss from the spot again this season?

        Gary: All the good things we did in the first half, we didn’t do in the second. We stopped attacking with purpose, we dropped too far back, we not only lost possession too easily, but didn’t recover it well enough afterwards.  We ended up banging the ball up to Carroll and one reason that didn’t work is because our other attack minded players were too deep & weren’t able to get his knock downs.

        Q3. Andy Carroll proved to be very much a handful for the Arsenal defence in his outings against them last season. How much impact do you expect him to have this time round? Will Liverpool look to play directly to his best qualities?

        Jim: He’s as good with his feet, if not better, as he is with his head and so we shouldn’t be using him in that direct way. That side of him has its uses of course – he causes problems and distracts defenders at set pieces – Sunderland seemed to be focussed almost exclusively on Carroll (and Downing and Henderson around him) at the free kick on Saturday, they seemed to forget about Suarez.  I think a few things will get ironed out in training this week.

        Robbo: They should do. As you say, Arsenal have got form for struggling to deal with Carroll and that’s no great surprise as they don’t really have a commanding centre half. But for Liverpool to make the most of Carroll’s ability he has to receive the right kind of ball – and for me he has to improve his movement from what we saw against Sunderland.

        Michael: I’m still not completely sold on Carroll. Yes, he is tall and a fairly decent header of the ball, but that often leads to our play becoming one dimension, with long-balls being hoofed up field in the hope of reaching the forward, this was particularly evident when
        Suarez was taken off against Sunderland. For me, Liverpool need to play a clever passing game as they did against Sunderland in the first-half, if we naturally get in a position to cross a ball in for Carroll to head home then that’s great, but it shouldn’t be forced.

        Antoine: I am betting that he will score, Downing can feed in nice balls to him and he will torment them even more this time around.

        Taf: I’m still on the fence when it comes to Carroll and there is a danger in playing to his best qualities. Personally I’d rather be playing to Suarez’s best qualities and then to Carroll’s as a second option.

        Gary: I hope we don’t play too directly to him, but if there are times that tactic is employed, it is important to have runners for the knock
        downs.

         

        Q4. Even though Arsenal maybe a little unsettled at the present time due to the transfer market, injuries and suspensions they still boast some talented players. Who do you expect to cause Liverpool the most problems this weekend? Who do you expect to shine for Liverpool?

        Jim: I’m trying to find who they’ll still have by the weekend! Arshavin. For us the obvious one is Suarez.

        Robbo: There’s likely to be pace in the side – Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain if he plays. What’s encouraging is that we don’t look as susceptible to that weapon as we once did. There’s much more pace in the side on the wings and at full back. That said, if either of those players can get one on one with Carragher… For Liverpool, I was really encouraged by Enrique’s performance last week and I’m expecting more from him. Downing, too, looked promising and as I mentioned before, Adam. And we all know how good Suarez is. He can provide problems for any team in the world.

        Michael: I’m a big fan of Theo Walcott. He’s certainly hit and miss, with his form being very sporadic, but on his day he has the potential to cause absolute havoc with even the best of Premier League back lines. Suarez will be the key man for Liverpool, he had a fantastic 45 minutes against Sunderland and hopefully a week of hard training will have helped with his post Copa America fitness issues. Aside from that, Arsenal conceded the highest proportion of goals from set pieces last season, so Carroll will undoubtedly be a threat.

        Antoine: Downing, Carroll & Suarez will all shine. Our defence is still a little shaky we are not quite there yet.

        Taf: Walcott’s pace could be a problem and Arshavin, on his day, is pretty unstoppable. For us, I think it could be Downing who seems
        to have settled the quickest into his role.

        Gary: Van Persie is a class player, so he’d always be a potential danger, no matter how well or poorly Arsenal were playing.

         

        Q5. Despite Liverpool’s expenditure in the current transfer window, many believe that another centre half, right winger and backup striker are also what we need. Who would you opt for in these positions and can you see Dalglish dipping into the transfer window anymore before it closes?

        Jim: I still feel it’s odd that we bid over £20m for Jones but didn’t follow that up with a bid for another target. I wouldn’t rule out us
        buying a centre-back before the window closes, but we’re leaving it late. Ngog is close to leaving, might have gone by the time this goes out, and one school of thought is that he’ll be part of a deal for Cahill – we’ll have to wait and see. Ngog’s departure might just prompt a move for another backup striker but it’s difficult to think of someone good enough yet cheap enough. I can’t see us going for a right winger now personally.

        Robbo: I can see us making another signing at centre half as that’s the area that screams out for a quality reinforcement. We’ve got bodies there but we need someone really top notch to come in. I’d get the Gary Cahill deal done. He fits the bill. Right wing I don’t believe is a priority and when Johnson is fit he can provide a threat from that side. Up front, if Ngog is used as a makeweight in a deal for Cahill it would leave us light. I don’t know who we should go for, but perhaps an experienced head. Some of the other lads on The Anfield Wrap podcast mentioned Diego Forlan. That’s a good shout.

        Michael: For me a centre-back is the biggest priority. Agger is fantastic yet injury prone, and Carragher isn’t getting any younger. I’d go for Stoke’s Ryan Shawcross as my first choice, though Gary Cahill would also be a great option. I’m not 100% certain we need a
        right-winger. Henderson, Kuyt, Downing and of course Gerrard can all play on that side of the pitch, so it shouldn’t be a priority. A back-up striker would be nice, though. Real’s Higuain was touted as a potential option, whilst that would be fantastic I can’t see it happening.

        Antoine: I would like to see another striker who can come off the bench and make an impact, we badly need a super-sub.

        Gary: Centre half is really the usual suspects, Gary Cahill or Scott Dann.  Hadn’t given the right wing position much thought I’m afraid.
        No one springs to mind of the top of my head.  Back up Striker would be someone like Dean Sturridge.

        Q6. The Aquilani debate continues to rage. For you does he have a future at Liverpool and could he have made an impact against Sunderland?

        Jim: Forget what gets said publicly, if he doesn’t want to play here then he’s not an ideal person to have in and around the squad. In public we’ve been trying to pretend he’s a valuable member of the squad but that’s probably just designed to keep his price up. Now we’ve got to the scary bit of the transfer window and I can’t imagine that’s helping the relationship between club and player. We don’t know exactly what’s been said between Kenny and Alberto but I’m sure he’d at least have been on the bench on Saturday if Kenny thought he was in the right frame of mind to be able to make a difference.  All in all I don’t think he’ll be here by the time the transfer window closes.

        Robbo: I don’t think he has a future at Liverpool. Giving him a squad number, playing him pre-season – all posturing for me. The club want him gone.

        Michael: Aquilani was fantastic for Liverpool in pre-season, though that may not be the best indicator. He did, however, have a fully-fit season at Juventus last term and that is incredibly encouraging. If he wants to tay he should, if not let him go.

        Antoine: I have a feeling he will play against Arsenal just because of the style of play, I think he will stay and Kenny will play him against certain teams but not all. Each team plays a different game and you need a different approach for each one of them. My faith is in Kenny, no one in theworld knows football better than him.

        Taf: I’ve always said I don’t really care for names. As long as they have the capability, strength and desire to play for Liverpool – that’s more important.

        Gary: I’m somewhat in the middle for this, as I wasn’t crying for him to come back last season, and now he is back I’m not suddenly joining in with the popular opinion that he actually is Xabi reincarnated (on the back of a good pre season).  However, should he stay with us, he could be a valuable asset as he is a quality player &  a creative one at that.   It’s possible he could have made a difference against
        Sunderland, and I was surprised he wasn’t on the bench, but equally he could have stunk the place out.

         

        Q7. What’s your score prediction for the game?

        Jim: I’m going to go with 1-0 to us in a game that’s very nervy at times. Downing to set Carroll up for a goal with his left foot.

        Robbo: 1-1. It will be a tight game.

        Michael: Liverpool win 2-1. Suarez as one of the scorers.

        Antoine: 1-2  :-)

        Taf: I’ll be confident and work on the basis Arsenal are fragile – 2-0 to us.

        Gary: Heart says 2-1 to Liverpool. Head says 1-1

         

        We hope to catch up with a couple of the guys after the game to see how accurate their predictions have been and how they rated the performance on the day.

        A big thanks to Jim, Robbo, Michael, Antoine, Taf and Gary for taking time out to catch up with us it has been most appreciated and we look forward to doing it all again.

        Throughout the season we will be trying to catch up with fans from all the clubs that Liverpool face, so if you are interested in having your opinion heard then drop us an email to editor@kopthat.co.uk making sure you include your name and team that you support, or catch up with us on Twitter at @kop_that

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          Arsenal v Liverpool Preview : The Arsenal Opinion

          Liverpool travel to the Emirates on Saturday to face Arsenal in a 12:45 Premier League kick off, a ground that has so far not been too kind to the Reds in terms of positive results.

          The last visit to Arsenal saw the game end in a 1-1 draw in a match of late drama as Robin Van Persie put the Gunners ahead in the 98th minute only to see Dirk Kuyt grab a point for the visitors in the 102nd minute.

          Arsenal left the game with a 62.4% possession rate ahead of Liverpool’s 37.6%, alongside 528 passes, 10 corners and 14 chances. For Liverpool the stats were far more defensive in nature as you would expect as they strung together 333 passes, 3 corners and 5 opportunities in front of goal.

          Liverpool out tackled Arsenal on the day 22 to 15 but the matchday referee Andre Mariner also dipped into his top pocket 6 times to reach for the yellow card during the game, two to Arsenal (Van Persie & Eboue) and four to Liverpool (Skrtel, Flanagan, Leiva and Shelvey).

          Arsenal are to select from a weakened side this weekend, whilst Liverpool also have a couple of positions to consider due to injury. For many there might not be a better time to take on Arsenal at home but sometimes when the chips are down collectively you are a lot better.

          We took a moment to catch up with a few Gunners fans in the form of Matthew Capon, Jon Huson, James Hudson and Justin Ott to get their opinion on life after Cesc Fabregas at Arsenal and what they expect to see in this weekends fixture, as two of the top 6 sides in the league go head to head.

           

          Q1. Cesc Fabregas is now finally Barcelona player but no player is irreplaceable in a side. Can you see his departure affecting Arsenal psychologically or technically in the immediate weeks and how much will Arsene Wenger need to adapt the formation due to his departure? Does the length of time the saga ran concern you in regards to team morale?

          Matt: It’s fair to suggest the some of the other senior players in the side might be questioning why the club is unable to hold onto some of its major stars. Fabregas totted up more assists over the past 5 seasons than any other player in the European leagues, so replacing him on the pitch looks almost impossible! I don’t envisage the formation changing though, A) because we don’t have the players to do this currently and B) because we won’t sign the players to do this, it’s not the Wenger way! I don’t think the length of the saga will affect morale of the side, though fans have a right to be disgruntled that nobody was brought in to ease the pain, was Wenger in denial?

          Jon: I think the “will he, wont he” had a greater effect than his actually leaving and I think the saga finally concluding, is a good thing, much like Henry’s departure a few years ago. I think the team is mentally strong and I think it has brought the team together. I do think the press have read a lot more into things than they should have, as always. I see no reason to change things, Wilshere, Roskicy, Ramsey, Arshavin and Nasri can play through the middle and we have plenty of wide talent.

          James: We will definitely be affected technically, as he was central to our play and someone who could find that killer pass others struggle to, over the last five years no one in the top five European leagues has laid on more goal scoring opportunities (including Xavi, the man he is meant to be replacing in the long run). Psychologically, I don’t think it will have as much of an impact, as I am sure all the players knew of his feelings and will have come to accept it. The formation won’t change, if Nasri stays he will take over the role. If he goes I would like to see Arshavin move into the centre where he can really come alive and show the form of his early Arsenal career and the form from the European Championships which prompted all of Europe to covert him.

          Justin: The most disappointing area in this Cesc saga has been the timing in that we’ve lost our captain in the opening week of the season.  This should have been sorted out in July to allow us to reinforce the midfielder.  If Nasri stays I think he can eventually fill his boots where that happens remains to be seen.  Arsenals mental state is very suspect and he was very close with a lot of the players only time will tell how they react.

          Q2. Liverpool have never faired too well at the Emirates but they visit this week with an Arsenal side likely to be without Eboue, Bendtner, Wilshere, Diaby, Song, Nasri and of course Fabregas. Do Arsenal have enough in the squad to get a win considering a European outing as well this week?

          Matt: The side to face Liverpool, unless any major signings are made mid-week, will most likely be a young outfit. I expect Frimpong, Walcott, Gibbs, Ramsey to play. I also envisage Oxlade-Chamberlain getting some minutes on the pitch. I think he would have taken some part at the weekend had Gervinho not slapped Joey Barton. Any result is possible, but I expect the game will be dependent on who defends the best.

          Jon: The Arsenal squad itself is very strong, yes we have absences through injuries and possible sales, however the squad remains strong. We lack one or two high quality players which would make the squad a title challenger. I do think it will be a tough game, neither team has started partially brightly and neither team will want to lose so early on in the season, but I think we will have enough quality in the squad to clinch a win.

          Our biggest problem is are our supporters! We must get behind the team, regardless of what the manager or the board does, it is the team we should be supporting, they are out there playing hard and trying to win things, they deserve our support not criticism! I was staggered when we started booing the team during a pre-season friendly! The supporters will lose us games this year, we no longer have the “Highbury effect” or the best supporters in the world….

          James: Of all the players out I would be most worried about Song’s absence, without him in the team last season we really struggled. I hope Frimpong gets a game as I think he can really push on this season and follow in the footsteps of Wilshere. If the defence can perform as they did at the weekend I can see us grabbing a 1-0 victory. They looked much stronger and more compact and restricted Newcastle to one shot on goal.

          Justin: We have enough strength in depth to cope.  Eboue (departing for Galatasary in the next couple of days) not being in the team will be a benefit as he gave away the 110th minute equaliser last season!

           

          Q3. Both Liverpool and Arsenal got held to draws on the opening day of the season, despite it being first game out a level of criticism in some parts was levelled at both sides for their performances. What went wrong in your opinion for Arsenal against Newcastle?

          Matt: The first half was looking promising, but the final ball let us down every time. The second half, Newcastle closed the Arsenal players down much better, thus limiting space to pass the ball around with as much ease in the first half. Whilst I think everyone out there was trying their hardest , including Arshavin, I just don’t think we were good enough on the day.

          Jon: I don’t think our pre-season was the best preparation and subsequently I think we started very slowly against Newcastle and our key players lacked match sharpness, worryingly this will take several games to achieve. I think defensively we were solid, if we keep the same four fit this season, defensively we will do very well. A lot of credit has to go to Newcastle, they were solid and played very well.

          James: I think we lacked Fabregas, that little dinked pass into the feet of van Persie or the surge into the box he performed with such effect in the 09/10 season. There didn’t seem to be the same urgency and slick passing we usually see. We also missed Walcott, when he came on he made a real difference and offers us something different, a bit more direct. Although John Flanagan did have a brilliant game against him last season and hopefully Walcott will do better if they face each other again on Saturday.

          Justin: There was a significant lack of cutting edge and not enough players filling the box as well as Gervinho’s woeful end product.

          Q4. Which Arsenal player do you see making the most impact on Saturday? Which Liverpool player can you see having the most impact? Why?

          Matt: Well, it looks like Song will not play which is a huge blow to us. He is so good at breaking up play and he is a very gifted footballer too! Therefore, I am going to go with Walcott. Theo gave Enrique a torrid time last year in the game at St.James Park against the Magpies, getting on the scoresheet and providing a couple of assists! While I think Enrique could turn out to be a shrewd signing, I get the impression he hates anyone with pace running at or behind him!

          Jon:  Arsenal – Walcott. If Theo plays he will cause Liverpool a lot of problems, he has looked really sharp and gives us something different, his pace will cause defences a lot of problems this season.

          Liverpool – Suarez. He had a great summer and if he continues that form, he will get 20+ goals, he could be the player of the season.

          James: As mentioned before I see Walcott having a big part to play on Saturday and the rest of the season if he can stay fit. Szczesny will have tough day dealing with crosses coming in and if he can cut these out Liverpool will be much less effective. Suarez is such a great talent, one of the best in the world and has settled incredibly well. If is on his game the defence will have to be on their toes.

          Justin: Robin Van Persie.  New captain and will be out to impress.  For Liverpool, I can see Charlie Adam being the biggest weapon in providing the service for Carroll who terrorised Arsenals defence for Newcastle last season.

           

          Q5. Arsene in theory has funds at his disposal. Realistically which two or three players does he need to bring in before the transfer window closes? Will he actually spend the money?

          Matt: Arsenal could do with a lot of new signings! Given he has plenty to spend, I think he should focus on buying Chris Samba, Eden Hazard (who I’m sure Lille would sell at the right price!) and a Centre Forward. If there is any truth in the Tevez rumour then he should not be waiting around! Scott Parker would also be seen as something of a positive move.

          Jon: “In Arsene we trust” – I get very frustrated with the press and transfer speculation. The clubs manager and board have said we will buy the right players, if they are there. If a player will not improve the team/squad, then you shouldn’t buy that player. Man City have created a “must buy” mentality, which is causing some fans to get frustrated with our transfer policy. Man City’s current squad cost them around £800m, no other club can spend that money and so they have to buy the right player, for the right price. Arsene does however need to buy a quality replacement for Cesc, a world class defender to partner Thomas and a quality striker in the Michael Owen mould, a “fox in the box”. If he can find the right player, he will buy them!

          James: He will spend money if he can find what he considers the right players. I think he gets a harsh time from some of our fans about this transfers, because of the way the club conduct their business without going public people think he isn’t trying when in fact he is working so hard for the club. Without David Dein helping it all falls to him along with everything else he has to contend with. I think we need a proven Premiership central defender, Samba would be my first choice. A solid central midfielder to relieve some of the pressure off Song, Parker would be my choice here. If Nasri goes we need a new playmaker, Stevan Jovetic from Fiorentina would be a great signing. Depending on how Wenger plays things we may need a new striker to help van Persie but I personally would like to see Walcott starting to play through the middle more.

          Justin: The board have said all funds from the pending transfers will be reinvested but Wenger is unlikely to spend 50m on players.  If he is to strengthen it needs to be on a centre half partner in the shape of Phil Jagielka as well as a creative midfielder.  I would like to see Werder Bremens Diego to replace Cesc.  He has been the 5th best player in Europe over the last 5 years in creating chances (Cesc was top).

           

          Q6. Result prediction?

          Matt: 1-1, think both teams can’t afford to lose rather than winning, even so early on in the season. Arsenal do have a knack of scoring against Liverpool, but I think Liverpool should also have the ability to find at least a goal!

          Jon: 1-1

          James: 1-0 to Arsenal

          Justin: 2-1 to Arsenal!

           

          We hope to catch up with a couple of the guys after the game, see how accurate their predictions have been and with a bit of luck from a Liverpool perspective, see how they are handling their disappointment!

          A big thanks to Matt, Jon, James & Justin for taking time out to catch up with us it has been most appreciated.

          Throughout the season we will be trying to catch up with fans from all the clubs that Liverpool face, so if you are interested in having your opinion heard then drop us an email to editor@kopthat.co.uk making sure you include your name and team that you support, or catch up with us on Twitter at @kop_that

          Next up comes the Reds opinion on the game ahead.

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            Deluded

            Is time up for Roy?

            Delusion is normally a word left reserved for Tom Hicks but it is quickly finding a new friend in Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson.

            As Liverpool tumbled too easily to a 2-0 defeat at Goodison Park in the Merseyside derby against Everton, despite having to endure 90 minutes devoid of invention, class and honesty a smiling Roy Hodgson at the final whistle, decided to continue the lack of thought in his post match press conference, with these comments amongst others.

            “I thought the shape of the team was good and I thought the quality of our passing and moving was good today.”

            ” I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior.”

            Whether Hodgson had got sidetracked at times watching a re-run of a derby from yesteryear on his phone in the dugout remains to be confirmed, as his comments just do not relate to the game that was played out from 130pm this afternoon. The end result of which left Liverpool in 19th place in the Premiership, saved only by goal difference at the present moment in time from the further humiliation of propping up the table.

            Roy Hodson is a gentleman of the game, he is also by no means a total fool but out of his depth he most certainly is right now and the water could get deeper yet.

            At times, especially on the back of a defeat it can admittedly be somewhat harder to find the line that exists between outward criticism of your players and admission of your mistakes, sadly Hodgson has failed here as well as tactically on the pitch, something that can lose you respect in the dressing room just as quick as it can lose you backing in the stands. A lack in both confidence and belief is there for the whole world to see.

            Too many the appointment of Hodgson remains a strange one in many ways, it wasn’t necessarily a step that Liverpool needed to take at the time they did, given that Mssrs Hicks & Gillett were still residing. Respected Hodgson may have been, but he was a manager of a much different wealth of tactics to former charge Rafa Benitez, a defensive playing mentality much different to the one that the squad he inherited had been designed around. Other options may well have been a better match technically and commercially and at present little is being offered to suggest otherwise.

            It was going to take funds that Liverpool just didn’t have in the last transfer window, to make enough changes to the squad for Hodgson’s tactics to have an effect. The added pressure of the scalp of Liverpool in any competition being far greater than he would have experienced at either Blackburn or Fulham.

            Liverpool again took until the 2nd half had commenced to start to offer any kind of noticeable change, already 2 goals down at the time and Everton having knocked it back a gear. Players can of course be blamed for not performing, not showing commitment or it just not being there today if bad luck is to be believed but a manager has the ability to change a player or the system from the bench, adapt to the game. Yet again that change just took too long to be recognised and not for the first time this season, not even the second or third.

            It is fair to say that any manager needs time to make a team their own, things do take time to settle but as new owner John W Henry of NESV provided a vote of confidence to the manager under fire; the name of Kenny Dalglish amongst others continues to drum in the background with ever increasing noise.

            “Roy needs to be given time and he will be,” the new owner said.

            “We have a lot of confidence in Roy. No-one can be pleased with our start to the season, but the club needs to gel.”

            Knee jerk reactions are not a trade mark of Liverpool but neither are 6 points from a possible 24 acceptable in any shape or form, a sin in itself. Whilst Napoli, Blackburn and Bolton make up the club’s remaining fixtures for the month, Liverpool fans will continue to ponder what “given time” equates to, should progress not be made in the form of points and performance… and also whether the “substantial investment funds in the squad” are indeed going to be safe in Roy’s hands come January 1st. In his short tenure thus far, cause for concern on both exists and is valid right now.

            Time will tell if NESV were indeed the correct selection by the clubs board to bring about a new era of winning ways but right now, the early report on their managerial appointment is possibly more wrong than “must try harder”.

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              Broughton Still Confident Of NESV Sale

              Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton continues to remain hopeful and reiterate to Liverpool fans to “keep the faith” as he hopes that the proposed takeover by New England Sports Ventures (NESV) will be completed on Friday, ahead of the weekend’s Merseyside derby. A match which could see a new owner in the form of John W Henry attending the game.

              Following two victories in court over present owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, both Broughton and his team, as well as John Henry of NESV, who remains in England, await a verdict from the Texas court hearing, which was adjourned yesterday evening until later today. Martin Broughton spoke very briefly with SSN following the latest verdict given by Justice Floyd in their favour at the High Court.

              He commented; “Not yet, we’re still in court in Texas trying to get the temporary restraining order overturned. We still have to do that.” when asked if NESV were now indeed the new owners of the club as well as advising ”I think probably sometime tomorrow” in regards a likely completion date.

              “We’re nearly there. We’ll have to see, we’ve still got to take away the restraining order.”

              “Mr Henry (NESV) is still very committed. We’ve got lots of bidders who are very committed.”

              “My guess is we’ll have it done and he’ll be there, but we’ve got to get rid of this order first.”

              While this evening brings somewhat of a quiet night compared to recent events, the servers of the Guardian, Empire of the Kop, Anfield Road, This is Anfield and Twitter are probably grateful for the time to breathe. Meanwhile the excellent Dan Roan (BBC), Tariq Panja (Bloomberg), Owen Gibson/Steve Busfield/Sachin Nakrani (Guardian) and Bryan Swanson/Gary Cotterill (SSN), probably clocked a time Usain Bolt would have been proud of in heading to bed.

              Will October 15th bring an end to the madness?….


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                Hicks & Gillett Secure TRO From Texas Court To Slow Sale

                John W Henry, the principal owner of New England Sports Ventures (NESV) and the Boston Red Sox baseball team continues to wait to become the proud owner of Liverpool Football Club.

                The highly regarded American businessman made a somewhat surprising appearance this evening as he arrived at 1 Bunhill Row, London, just before 8pm, the offices of Slaughter & May, who have been advising and handling the legal process for Liverpool’s board members Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre.

                Earlier in the day, following their victory at the High Court over Tom Hicks and George Gillett, Martin Broughton advised that a board meeting would take place this evening at 8pm to progress the sale of the club. The arrival of John Henry immediately suggested that process was even closer to conclusion than first expected.

                However as has been the case at many steps of both the Hicks & Gillett reign at the club as well as with the sale process itself, controversy lay just after 10pm, it was confirmed that the present American owners had filed a temporary restraining order (document here) with Judge Jim Jordan of the 160th District Court of Texas, to prevent the sale of the club at present. In addition to what they call an “epic swindle”, a term they should be familiar with from their own financial transactions, they also claim that they will sue Liverpool’s independent board of directors, RBS Plc who control the club’s debt and it’s prospective buyer in the form of John Henry’s New England Sports Ventures (NESV) for a total of $1.6bn (£1bn) in damages.

                The pair continue to cite that NESV’s offer to buy Liverpool is “hundreds of millions of dollars below true market value” and other alternative and suitable offers were “swept aside” and ignored by Martin Broughton.

                The statement issued by the pair is as follows:

                The owners of Liverpool Football Club today reported that a Texas State District Court has granted a temporary restraining order (TRO) enjoining the Board of Liverpool Football Club (LFC) from executing a sale of the Club to New England Sports Ventures (NESV). The court set a hearing date of October 25, 2010.The TRO request, signed by Judge Jim Jordan of the 160th District Court in Dallas, was part of a lawsuit filed today by the owners of LFC against Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow, Ian Ayre, NESV and Philip Nash. The lawsuit also seeks temporary and permanent injunctions, and damages totaling approximately $1.6 billion (over £1 billion).

                The suit lays out the defendants’ “epic swindle” in which they conspired to devise and execute a scheme to sell LFC to NESV at a price they know to be hundreds of millions of dollars below true market value (and well below Forbes magazine’s recent independent $822 million valuation of the club) – and below multiple expressions of interest and offers to buy either the club in its entirety or make minority investments (including Meriton and Mill Financial). It describes how the defendants excluded the owners from meetings, discussions and communications regarding the potential sale to NESV and interfered with efforts by the owners to obtain financing for Liverpool FC.

                The Club’s owners are represented by attorneys from the international law firm of Fish & Richardson.

                The following are some of the key points in the complaint, which details the roles of RBS and the other defendants, and also describes previously undisclosed offers to purchase LFC:

                “The Director Defendants were acting merely as pawns of RBS, wholly abdicating the fiduciary responsibilities that they owed in the sale.”

                “RBS has been complicit in this scheme with the Director Defendants. For example, in letters from RBS to potential investors obtained just within the past few days, RBS has informed investors that it will approve of a deal only if there is “no economic return to equity” for Messrs. Hicks and Gillett. In furtherance of this grand conspiracy, on information and belief, RBS has improperly used its influence as the club’s creditor and as a worldwide banking leader to prevent any transaction that would permit Messrs. Hicks and Gillett to recover any of their initial investment in the club, much less share in the substantial appreciation in the value of Liverpool FC that their investments have created.”

                “On or about October 4, 2010, Mr. Hicks received a letter of interest from a third potential purchaser represented by FBR Capital Markets (“FBR”), offering to purchase Liverpool FC for £375 to £400 million ($595 to $635 million). The letter informed Mr. Hicks that the potential purchaser would not need financing, possessed the funds to close the transaction, and intended to build a new stadium for Liverpool FC.”

                “Additionally, the Plaintiffs learned just days ago about another potential investor that made a similar offer in the £350 to £400 million range that was communicated to Defendant Broughton and another unnamed co-conspirator in late August. According to this investor, Mr. Broughton never responded to the offer. Moreover, when the purported sale to NESV was announced, this investor again contacted Mr. Broughton and informed him that the offer, which significantly exceeded the NESV offer, was still on the table. Again, Mr. Broughton brushed this offer aside without further discussion.”

                As the news broke that the TRO had been granted to the dismay of Liverpool fan’s who had started, with caution, to look to brighter days, questions reigned in as to the jurisdiction that a Texas Court could have in such a matter that had already been ruled on by the High Court in the UK. Whilst both NESV and RBS are believed to be respecting the TRO in order to protect their investments in the US and taking legal council on the situation, contact was made by Liverpool fans with the issuing Texan court which resulted in Judge Jim Jordan’s Facebook Page being removed and the courts telephone service becoming “unavailable”.

                Liverpool FC responded with a statement of their own in regards to the developments:

                “Following the successful conclusion of High Court proceedings today, the Boards of Directors of Kop Football and Kop Holdings met tonight and resolved to complete the sale of Liverpool FC to New England Sports Ventures.

                Regretably, Thomas Hicks and George Gillett have tonight obtained a Temporary Restraining Order from a Texas District Court against the independent directors, Royal Bank of Scotland PLC and NESV to prevent the transaction being completed.

                The independent directors consider the restraining order to be unwarranted and damaging and will move as swiftly as possible to seek to have it removed.

                A further statement will be made in due course.”

                The latest developments place RBS in a tight spot with both US interests to protect as well as the Hicks & Gillett debt to call in on Friday of this week, closure tonight would have provided them with 48hrs to conclude arrangements and avoid further conversations around entering the club into administration. The Liverpool FC board remain hopeful that via legal process they can have the TRO removed shortly, ahead of the October 25th Texas court date but in the meantime Hicks and Gillett potentially wriggle free for a couple of days more yet.


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                  Liverpool FC Decision Set For 10am

                  Liverpool’s fate will be decided by in High Court tomorrow morning at 10am by Mr Justice Floyd, after a day of drama saw Liverpool’s infamous owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett branded “slippery” & by Lord Grabiner QC and Richard Snowden QC accused Hicks of “breathtaking arrogance”.

                  However QC Paul Girolami, fighting the corner of the Americans offered the court to believe that his clients, despite admitting their breach of the undertakings given to RBS in April 2010, had been frozen out of the sale process by Broughton, Purslow & Ayre which is why they took the actions they did. They also remain adamant that better alternative bids were not properly considered by the so called “home team” of the board, as Hicks and Gillett referred to Ayre, Purslow & Broughton’s inner circle.

                  Prior to the commencement of the court proceeding it was known that the Liverpool board had selected John Henry’s New England Sports Ventures (NESV) from a final two candidates to take over the club, with both bidders offering similar packages and both in the belief of Martin Broughton and the board to be suitable new owners. The identity of the unsuccessful bidder was previously not know.

                  However, as if the court case was not dramatic enough the remaining bidder was not only revealed but also submitted an improved offer to the Liverpool board which he impressed they considered. That initial and revised bid came in the form of Singaporean Peter Lim and his Meriton Group. The offer was instantly relayed to the court which, as his initial bid was, purely an all cash transaction from his own finances, covering £320m to remove acquisition and capital debts as well as providing a further £40m for the forthcoming January transfer window to make squad improvements. Both Lim, rather ironically owning a chain of Manchester United bars, and numerous sources such as Bloomberg, confirmed that under 24hrs prior to the decision of the club to sell to NESV, he was believed to be the preferred bidder. Rather surprising to many though, due to the high profile nature of the transaction, confirmation of the final decision was sent to him by text message.

                  To many Liverpool fan’s both the timing of the revised bid from Peter Lim (mid court trial and assisting H&G’s attempts to a fashion) and also his Manchester United connection’s were reasons for significant doubt and a lack of trust, however with questions still not 100% answered as to any debt element, of the NESV bid, other quarters saw a level of interest in the all cash offer from Singapore’s 8th richest man.

                  Peter Lim also released the following statement in line with his bid:

                  Singapore businessman, Peter Lim, today lodged an increased offer for Liverpool Football Club with the Chairman of the Board of Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd, Martin Broughton.

                  The proposal represents a total investment of £360m. The offer values the Club at £320m. A further £40m will be made available to purchase new players. Like the previous offer tabled by Mr Lim, the new offer is entirely in cash and will remove the entire acquisition debt of £200m taken on by the existing owners that has cast uncertainty over the Club’s future.

                  The new offer also includes a cash investment of £120m. Of this:

                  • £40m cash is to be allotted specifically to fund player purchases during the upcoming transfer window as the immediate priority is to ensure that the squad is strengthened for the remainder of the season.
                  • The balance of £80m will pay off all the Club’s bank debt, the fees and interest accruing on the bank debt, and provide additional working capital for the Club.

                  Mr Lim is not obtaining any financing for the offer and the funding comes from his own cash resources.

                  Peter Lim said: “I respect and admire Liverpool Football Club, which is steeped in tradition and history. I am committed to rebuild the Club so that it can soon regain its position at the pinnacle of English and European football, where it truly belongs. This is why I have stepped forward with this offer.”

                  “I believe that if its massive debt burden can be removed, the Club  would be able to focus on improving its performance on the pitch. My offer pays off the existing owners’ bank acquisition debt and also frees the Club of its own bank debt. If the Board accepts this offer, the monies are available immediately thereby removing the threat of administration.

                  “The Club needs to strengthen its existing squad. As part of this offer, I will be injecting £40m in cash into the Club for Roy Hodgson to bring in new players during the upcoming transfer window. Liverpool needs to start winning again!

                  “My offer provides a firm financial platform from which the club can rebuild. Given the manner in which the sale process has been handled, I feel Martin and the Board owe it to me, to the Club, and to the supporters, to consider my offer”.

                  The interest in the purchase of Liverpool Football Club was also added to by Mill Financial who are believed to taken control of the 50% share George Gillett held in the club, following his default on a £75m loan secured against his share. They too offered to remove the debt upon the club and invest in stadium developments but advised that a meeting with Liverpool Chairman Martin Broughton on Thursday of last week had been cancelled by him. During the court process it was confirmed by Philip Marshall QC, that the Liverpool FC board had targeted 130 potential investors they had made in the search for a new owner, of which was narrowed down to 27 firm levels of interest before they made their final decision.

                  Liverpool FC and RBS remain confident that they will succeed with the declaratory judgment that they seek from the High Court and after Mr Justice Floyd had told both parties that a decision prior to Friday of this week was “a little ambitious” he concluded the days events that a decision would be forthcoming at 10am the following morning (Wednesday October 13th 2010).

                  NESV had set a deadline of October 5th for a deal to be reached with the club and a further deadline of  November 1st for the deal to be completed, its lawyers advising in court that it would be seeking damages if the deal, which is signed, collapsed. RBS always looking for the recouperation of their now confirmed 75% of the outstanding £237m loan and estimated £40m fees (the remaining 25% owed to Wells Fargo) from Hicks and Gillett, remain searching for a speedy judgment on the process with the loans due to be repaid on Friday of this week, also advise that it is up to Liverpool FC whether they reactivate the sale process for any reason.

                  Should Liverpool gain the judgment that they seek and decide to go the route of reconsidering the improved offer from Peter Lim, or any other parties, or remain with what is thought to be an enforceable legally binding sale agreement with NESV, they could well find themselves subject to damages and compensation claims from NESV in the first scenario or from the Hicks & Gillett camp which ever route they decide to tread.

                  The road continues to run out for Hicks & Gillett whichever way they turn, the end inevitable which they also forced to concede. A further subplot may continue to run for a while, a twist and turn could yet await but Justice Floyd could certainly be calling “Taxi for H&G” in the morning as Liverpool fans look set to be in attendance to hopefully wave them on their way, to a manner.

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                    In Search Of The Truth

                    Truth and honesty is something that has been missing at Anfield in recent years around the boardroom but despite it’s AWOL status, Liverpool fans never call off the search party.

                    While “truth” heads off with “spades” and “promises” on their eternal mission to find the lost property box, Liverpool Football Club has the small matter of a probable court case to attend to, one that asks many more questions than the obvious one. Probable in the sense that communication is believed to be continuing behind the scenes amongst the warring factions, in an effort to avoid more public humiliation for the club and at least one side in the argument. However a High Court verdict it looks set to be, as to who is to own the club going forward, possibly after an appeal process is added to the mix as well.

                    The Liverpool board voted 3-2 in favour of New England Sports Ventures ownership but even a vote failed to be the simplest of tasks. As with many areas involving the club at present, if you dig a little deeper or question the logic used, the picture blurs a little and the truth becomes a little bit harder to find. One of the main questions that the High Court are left to answer is who does the Liverpool board actually consist of to determine whether the vote on the sale process is valid or not? The Americans argue that Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre were replaced prior to the vote being cast by Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutcheon, whilst the Liverpool Chairman Martin Broughton confidently states this move was blocked and the vote result stands.

                    It is no real surprise that an attempt was made by H&G to disrupt the board for voting alliance once an offer got to the point a decision was required, predictable in fact. The Americans were simply always going to try and hold out for a sizeable return on their investment whatever the fight required, “investment” in this case also remains looking for its own truth. But do the candidates wanted on the board tell another tale entirely?

                    For Mack Hicks to be brought in to help fight his fathers corner, as a replacement for Ayre or Purslow that alone would have been enough to swing a vote 3-2 in their favour so why the need for McCutcheon from Hicks Holdings as well? That answer may well lie in the form of the more silent George Gillett. For a two person shift on the board, you would expect a 50/50 partnership to present a further candidate from each of their own ranks to protect their interests but this also is yet a different truth as a 50/50 partnership they may no longer be. Mill Financial, a division of Springfield Financial, with whom Gillett took out a $75 million loan in December 2008 using his 50% share as security and then defaulted on its repayment, have called it in. A further associate of Gillett on the board, therefore potentially worthless to Hicks and his objectives if Gillett’s own position is questionable.

                    To summarise a Rory Smith of the Telegraph quote recently:

                    “Broughton is trying to sell a club he does not own (but apparently has the power do to so) , Hicks is trying to hold on to a club he did not pay for and half of that club now belongs to a real estate company based in Arlington, Virginia, whose intentions are unknown” – its nice to keep things simple as they say.

                    Whilst the intentions of Mill Financial, of whom Liverpool FC have spoken to, are logically to be no different than that of RBS, a mission to recoup significant funds, it does add a further dimension to the present situation. Whilst Martin Broughton will soon produce written evidence that his decision and methods were just, New England Sports Ventures wait patiently in the wings for developments, having already met with the Premier League and been deemed to pass their “Owners & Directors Test”. An improved test it maybe from recent ones but only time, commitment, investment and actions will signify if such a test is really passed or not to Liverpool fans who have only to vivid a memory of how little a statement of intent from a new owner can really mean.

                    Whilst certain circles continue to opt for a more scaremongering angle to Liverpool’s future over the next couple of days, the prospects of a 9pt reduction and the club feeling the reality of an administration process, these are rightly not the focus of either Martin Broughton or Christian Purslow. Although care and caution need to be exercised, the whole playing field observed, focus on success in court should remain to be their focal point, a winning mentality in the mind, something that the club has been lacking in many quarters for longer than many would like to remember.

                    The confidence that is broadcast by Liverpool’s senior management, as they decided to go toe to toe with its owners, simply needs to now show itself as some of the truth that has been so long sought to prevent an uproar of undermining, that would ask equally large questions of management understanding their position and roles at the club. Defeat is inconceivable for many more reasons than the obvious ones, the questions for fans that lie beyond those asked in front of the Judge’s bench.

                    Should a successful verdict rightly follow for Liverpool FC, as its management team continue to present with vigor that it will. The debate will continue to rage as to whether NESV are indeed taking advice from the tarnished former Reds Chief Executive Rick Parry, whether the club is closer to having the best owners for its future as it looks to re-emerge from the darkness, or whether time dictates they were simply the best of what little was on offer at moment where time was running out.

                    A boards vote to be verified that could determine the future of so many… a sale to be concluded or a process to be restarted… an administration process to be accepted as reality or loosely stated as never a real concern… a Merseyside derby to be won, drawn or lost. A week of decisions and impact awaits at Anfield, that wait shared by the club and fans alike, there will be no early viewing of that result or a leak of the outcome finding its way into the public domain like the Liverpool team sheet so easily does.

                    Shankly famously offered “Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it’s much more serious than that”, the stakes are indeed high at Anfield right now, arguably higher than they have ever been but it doesn’t make the mission ahead an impossible one. The truth that the fans seek, needs to also be met with some honest performances on the pitch, whether that is under the reign and tactics of Hodgson, Dalglish or anyone else, no High Court judge is required to confirm that. The future for Liverpool is both out of their hands at present and also in part, what they make it, positives can be taken even by those most pessimistic.

                    If Tom Hicks had shown the same level of effort in developing the club, supporting it and progressing it from the first day he walked in the door, as he has in trying to refinance a debt way beyond his means and to hold onto a club whose fan’s despise every breath that he takes, this whole saga could have been a far fetched “what if” question instead of a reality.


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